Infringement of Copyright Notice - 'Two Worlds'

[PrinceMuffin]

Hello,

I also has received 1 of these letters late last week and to be honest even though I did not download or the upload the game has they claimed, I was heading towards the side of going to pay them due to being scared of any court action.

I have never been taken to court in my life and to have this has a 1st time experience it can be quite scary with mega stress added then I found this forum and 2 or 3 more on the net and made me think that I am not alone here.

Their scare tactic of this letter did work on me and many others I am guessing but do do not give in to these peple, the line must be drawn now.

The ACS Law letter asks us to sign a underclass document that says we have deleted the content from our hard drives and agree to pay the amount they are asking for.
Would this underclass document be used for ammunition for a gun if they choose to aim it again at people if more software or media companies jump on the band wagon and sign up with ACS like they advertised on the ACS Law site?.

There is planty of talk here on other forums that I do find quite helpful but I am disappionted that the press or even Watchdog have not taken action on ACS latest tactic has time is ticking with the letter dated 5th of May and not arriving 2 to 3 days later due to cost cutting on their behalf on second post.

I will also choose the reply and denial has I am not signing no document that can be used against me in a future court of law and I have a feeling it will be a quick reply from ACS has they must have done brain storms on possible replies.

Has for ISP's part in this, I do agree that they should of told us when the court order was presented before them so us has the customers would know what to be prepared for and our details was given out.

Wonder the accused who get this letter should sue the pants of our ISP's due to not informing us and yes mine is Virgin Media.
Maybe ACS should be taking them to court...hold on I forgot they do not like to play with the big boys only the small people like us.

Makes you think who else our ISP's have given our details to apart from ACS law.
It also makes you think if some people who have a heart condition or suffer from fits and this letter or their tactics triggers 1.
The reputation of the game developer and ACS law would be so CRAP.

[necromancer]

Originally Posted by SomeRandomGuy

To necromancer: Have watchdog replied to you yet? If so, what did they say?

No sorry, they haven't replied yet.

See if more of you can send them a message via the website. Might help if more people tell them what's going on.

Thank you

[lock]

Hello saywhat,
The response you got from ACS law doesnt sound very professional
did they email you or give you those answers over the phone.

[necromancer]

Guys and girls, you should all check the Data of Protection Act because like it says we have the right to:

"Find out what information is held about you on a computer and within some manual records, such as medical records, files held by public bodies and financial information held by credit reference agencies"

"to apply to a court to order a data controller to correct, block, remove or destroy personal details if they are inaccurate or contain expressions of opinion based on inaccurate information"

"to claim compensation through the courts from a data controller for damage, and in some cases distress, caused by any breach of the act"

Notification is a statutory requirement and every organisation that processes personal information must notify the Information Commissioner’s Office (ICO), unless they are exempt. Failure to notify is a criminal offence.

and a lot more, on here

The Data Protection Act (DPA) 1998, data protection policy - ICO

[saywhat]

Originally Posted by lock

Hello saywhat,
The response you got from ACS law doesnt sound very professional
did they email you or give you those answers over the phone.

Hi lock, the questions were asked by the webmaster of torrentfreak, I was just reposting the responses, I assume they were responded to be email but cant confirm.

[Leebones]

hi again all,

Since receiving my letter from asc on friday i have done nothing but research this matter constantly monitoring all the related forums eg, slyck,consumer forums,techpowerup. From the infomation i have noted i can now confidently say that im no longer going to be pulling my hair out over this and i suggest other people do the same.

The main suggested action is to simply reply and deny how ever many letters this may take which i will be doing and posting recorded delivery tommorow (mon 11th may). I will be drafting this brief letter highlighting the points made by the member of this forum (saywhat) on the previous page. I would personally like to thank him for posting this as i believe the post basically says it all and serves as somewhat as an great template.

These letters really have knocked my faith in the legal system and indeed humankind as a whole but the solidarity and grouping together of the members of all the forums involved has contributed in restoring some of that which was lost.

The people that i do feel for are those less informed such as the elderly and others which possible medical problems. Im sure reading through these posts would calm them
but many will unfortunatly be unaware of there existance and will pay up out of fear and bullying.

As others have said there has never been a case actually go to court without them not being there to defend themselves and sending a letter of denial as there is little or no evidence the accused has committed the act and surely if it did go further it would be laughed out and probly put an end to further of these threatning letter tactics which the likes of acs do not want.

What else is there to say?

[stushman]

one of the things i`ve noticed is at the end it says "IF THE INFRINGING ACT WAS COMMITED BY A MONOR, HE OR SHE SHOULD STILL SIGN THE UNDERTAKING" well as far as i am aware minors can not sign legal documents

[lock]

Originally Posted by saywhat

Hi lock, the questions were asked by the webmaster of torrentfreak, I was just reposting the responses, I assume they were responded to be email but cant confirm.

Thank you

[TheJudge]

Some good defence material here--well done everyone. Just another point--should the letters not have been sent by some recorded means? Has anyone actually signed for receipt of the letter? What proof do ACS hold or require to prove that these letters have been received by anyone. I understand they were 2nd class post with no return address. I would have thought for such an important matter then some sort of record would be required, after all--this is not a debt people are being pursued for!!

[sparker]

If they are that confident of a case against all of us then why not take it straight to court and as they say in there letter collect thousands in fees when found guilty.
Umm
Can I also give big thanks to everyone on all forums for gradually bring down mine and many peoples blood pressure in this mess.
I feel sorry for many who have no doubt just payed up.
Keep up the great work all.

[sam786]

hi guys/gals

seen a lot of talk here and some excellent points but i know most of you will still have this fear at the back of your minds and end not do anything and hope everyone else will be doing it and it will go a way by itself. Dont end up like those of who were taken to court and fined because they didnt reply please. if you havent written something down look on previous post and copy some of the main points and send the letter off tomorrow recorded del.


to ease some pain have a look at this
Lawyer Who Threatened File-Sharers is Banned For 6 months | TorrentFreak

sorry if its been posted all ready

[Darrenjey]

Havent had much information back as of yet guys and gals.

Was going to draft up the letter that my solictor friend wrote up for me (and sent recorded Saturday) but no need as its pretty much word for word of what has been posted by saywhat (good work).

Will leave more information as and when I get it

BTW

Get your story over to Watchdog, can only help guys

[Darrenjey]

I posted on the official Two Worlds site using my other alias, to show my dismay at what is happening and to see where I stand as I do own a genuine copy of the game. Pay attention to the highlited sentence

This is what the Developer (im guessing) has replied

Okay, first of all: ACS and Davenport Lyons are officially authorized by TopWare Interactive. So this isn't a scam.

Now... I'm no lawyer and from here I can't make any direct inquiries about your cases. But of course you are innocent until proven guilty. So if you are sure that you haven't done anything illegal, there is absolutely nothing to worry about.

I realize that this must be frustrating and annoying for you. And I apologize if you may have been accused by mistake. But I hope you can also understand that we're just trying to protect our game.
However, we'll definitely keep an eye on it and eventually take measures if the complaints about the mentioned law firms should be accumulating

Will have to wait and see

[sam786]

how many more complains do they need if last year watchdog and which mag. were not happy with DL. Atari stopped instantly so why didnt they. post that on their site

they're in it as well trying to blackmail and scare with their letters

[necromancer]

Exactly. Good points.